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S1 EP21: Breathing beyond the mind with Susana Ramos

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In this episode of Walking Between the Worlds, Giada welcomes Edinburgh-based breathwork facilitator Susana Ramos for a rich and energising conversation that weaves together breath, Human Design, and the courage to follow your own energetic blueprint.

Susana shares her journey from law to vet nursing to the spiritual path, and how discovering Human Design completely shifted the way she understood herself, especially as a Manifestor. Together, they unpack the five energy types, the difference between initiating and responding, the power of waiting through emotional waves, and why so many of us are trying to live in ways that simply aren’t aligned with how our energy actually works.

The conversation also dives into Susana’s trauma-informed, shamanically infused breathwork practice, small, intimate group sessions designed not for dramatic release, but for real nervous system healing. She explains why bigger isn’t always better when it comes to breathwork, and how conscious breathing alone can begin to move you out of your head and back into your body.

If you’ve ever felt “too much,” “too fast,” too impatient, too inconsistent, or like you’re trying to force life instead of flow with it, this episode will land.

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Originally hailing from the vibrant city of Milan, I’ve spent the past two decades traversing the globe in a quest for spiritual and personal growth and combined with 25 years of international corporate work experience. From navigating the vast landscapes of Australia in a campervan to finding tranquility living in a Buddhist monastery in Nepal, my journey is nothing short of extraordinary. Along the way, I’ve delved deep into Buddhist teachings, yoga, and shamanism, becoming Shamanic Teacher,  Forest Therapy Guide, Esoteric Numerologist, Shamanic and Integral Yoga Teacher and Ikigai Coach. In 2013 I settled in Edinburgh, where  I founded the Art and Spirituality Centre, a social enterprise and the School of Shamanism, where I passionately help others on their own transformative journeys.

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CHAPTERS

Welcome Susana Ramos

The reading that changed everything

Plateau before the breakthrough

More than just a big release

Where to find Susana

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Susana

Sometimes people look for the release because if the release doesn't happen, they don't feel like the technique is working. But if the release happens when your nervous system is above or beyond your window of tolerance, healing is not happening.

Welcome Susana Ramos

Giada

I'm Giada from School of Shamanism, and this is the season Walking Between the Worlds. I've got the pleasure today to have with me here Susanna Ramos. We say that in the Latin way, in a Mediterranean way, with a rolling strong R. So, Susanna, she's working here at the Art Spirituality Center, but not only here, based in Edinburgh, offering her beautiful breastwork sessions, very powerful ones. I've been to one of them, and she's also offering many more things. Would you like to let us know a little bit about yourself?

Susana

Of course. First, hello, and thanks for inviting me. This is very it's an honor and it's also a bit out of my comfort zone. So it's good that we're working through this. Yes. I've decided to bring cacao to help me.

Giada

Cheers to you.

Susana

So what do I do? Um I've been in Edinburgh for almost 14 years now. Um I changed careers not long after I arrived. Um initially I was supposed to be a lawyer.

Giada

One of the world.

Susana

Yeah, one of the world. And then I decided that that world wasn't for me. I could feel how my soul was like very heavy and very sad, and I just couldn't picture myself having a happy life doing that. So here I changed careers and I went into vet nursing. Because I've always felt like I wanted to help somehow. And I've always felt that's the way we treat animals in this world, or at least in this society, you know, could could improve a little bit. Um so I've been working as a vet nurs, I think, since 2020 or 2021. Um, and I currently do have like a part-time job because it's nights, so I have a lot of free time. Um, and this this job actually allowed me to be able to establish myself and have the time to like offer things to the world because I've been in the spiritual world and doing my own healing for about 10 years. I started with Reiki as a client, so I used to go and I used to get Reiki, and then I got my first level, and then over the years I kind of progressed to the master level. Um I use it a lot with animals at work. Um, I don't feel the call to do it to people. I can, but it's not one of my main offers. Um, and then I discovered human design around 2018, I think was the first time, and for me it changed my world because I am I don't think you know much about human design.

Giada

No, we were speaking before actually, and I was extremely interested about that. Uh so I really definitely want to know more.

Susana

So, human design is a system that kind of puts humanity, humans, into five different energy types. So all of us have different energies in the way that they operate in a different way. It's like an engine, think about it, as an engine. If you feed the wrong fuel to the engine, that engine is not gonna work well, it's gonna find resistance blocks, and eventually you're maybe probably going to get sick. You can still live. It doesn't mean that if you're not aligned with your design, you can go through life. You can. It's just gonna be a little bit harder than if you find how your energy flows. So when I first discovered human design, I am a manifestor, which is a minority group. Um, only 8% of the population are manifestors, and I'm very And I've discovered me to that. She's also a manifestor. I kind of had the feeling that you're either a manifestor or a manifesting generator. Anyway, so there's these different types: manifestors, manifesting generators, generators, projectors, and reflectors. What kind of differences? Um there are many differences, like this system is oh, it goes deep. But the main general, I think, idea for people is how your energy and your aura work. So, manifestors, we have like a close aura, which means we only allow people that we want into our space. Generators are manifesting generators because they are all generators, they function as generators energetically. There's just a slight difference between a pure generator and a manifesting generator. Their auras are open and enveloping, and they love meeting people with open auras because they can just mingle with each other. Um so they work very well in groups, and the generator group is the 70% of the population. So we need to thank this group how they build the world because they are the ones who have built the world we live in. And then we have projectors and reflectors. Projectors is 20% of the population, they're here to guide generators. Um, they need to be recognized, the energy needs to be recognized, to be accepted, and their aura is more, it works like a little arrow. So they like to focus on one person at a time. So that aura, the projector aura, and the generator aura works perfectly fine because the generator is open, and then the projector has this piercing, I don't know if that's the right English word. Yeah, like this piercing energy where they just know things about you and they just guide you, and it's amazing. And then the reflectors is 1% of the population, they're a complete different being, they they function in a complete different way. It is quite amazing, and basically they reflect the environment. So this is the auras when we talk about energy just quickly, because I can't speak about human design for like an emotion. So just stop me when you feel like you've had any. No, it's extremely fascinating. Um, the generators' energy works, let's say daily. Okay, so they recharge overnight, and um first thing in the morning, they're great, they're full of energy, and they spend the energy during the day and then they go to sleep at night. It's daily, okay. Manifestors, projectors, and reflectors, we work in different ways. We don't have this 24-hour cycle. We have periods where we're on and periods where we're off. Um that's why I say that the generator group has built the group because this um the way society is set up of how we work, it can only be sustained by a generator, if that makes sense. Because we, I, as a manifesto, have periods of days. I I call myself sometimes like I'm a dragon queen. So I'm like, I'm on top of the dragon and I'm flying and I am dominating and conquering the world, and I feel strong and magnetic. And then the next day I'm a potato couch. What I can't literally, I can't don't have to. The dragon is stamping on you. So what that little thing covered you. Because I have no energy, um, and that's completely normal for our type. The thing is that obviously we've been conditioned. Um, so having this type of energy sometimes doesn't really work well with how the world is set up. Um, because I need days and days and days of being by myself uh with my own aura to recharge. So there are a lot of different, I don't know, there's it's it's a huge world. It is a huge, uh a huge world on how we interact with other people, how we learn. It's amazing. One um I think I read it in one of the um human design schools. If you see the types as roles, imagine a music orchestra. So we manifestors, we will initiate the project. We will say, hey, let's create an orchestra, let's do this. But then we don't stay to do the work, we initiate the rest. Okay, and then you have the director of the orchestra, which in this case would be the projector. Because the projector is gonna guide all the musicians who are the generators who are creating the music, who are creating the piece. Um and then the reflector will be sitting literally on a chair, telling everybody if this is going well or if this is not going well, um, because they literally reflect everything.

Giada

So for me, this picture I wouldn't be never, I would never be one of them. I would be over there and physically also help to direct something.

Susana

Sometimes manifesto, we just initiate it and we just leave.

Giada

Sir, we've seen that things work.

Susana

Yes, and then we just leave. Um, so this is a very good example of how human design can help. Um, and knowing your energy type obviously is gonna help you tune into that engine and work accordingly so that your life, you know, so that you get a push in your life uh instead of getting blockages.

Giada

Yeah.

Susana

And I think I should stop here.

Giada

No, it's amazing. It's uh we could actually do uh an entirely an entire hour of speaking about

The reading that changed everything

Giada

yeah, how did you end up in uh having this around you? I mean, finding you.

Susana

My lovely friend and mentor Tiffany, hello, if you're watching this. Um I did a lot of sessions with her healing in the past. Um she introduced me to Moon Aiki to you know because you're asking.

Giada

No, I wanted, I mean, I wanted to to be a little bit bored into that uh years ago, but it wasn't the right time. So I said, fine, I'll leave it. They it come to me again when it's the right one. Well, if you need someone, Tiffany, she's based in Glasgow, half of the year. The other half of the year, she's the teacher that I uh had met it was made up into near uh Forest Umverness uh right side over there, another one, but it wasn't-I mean it wasn't working in that point.

Susana

It was not, it was not flowing, that's fine, it wasn't meant to be. So I did I've done work with her um as she's helped me through a lot of things, um, and she knows so much about human design. Um, so she was offering readings, and because I liked her, I usually bump into things because I like the person. Um, and I got a reading for the first time, I think it was in 2018, and it blew my mind. Um, but it was only so much I had the capacity to integrate. Um, I was very, very conditioned because manifestors can be conditioned as generators, we just want to keep going and keep going. Yes, I know the feeling. Yes, so that was the first, like the first taste I had. And then a couple of years later, I went back to it and I said, Tiffany, I need the same reading again. And then it's when I started to incorporate it in my life. Because human design, I don't like to look at it as a dogma, it's more like an experiment. So I'll give you like some guidelines, experiment with them in your life, see if this works, see if this way of operating or relating or recharging works for you. If it works, great. Keep doing it. If it doesn't, then do your own do your own thing. So that's how I got into it. And for me, learning that I was a manifesto, that I was one of the minority groups, it helped me a lot because um I tend I can be quite harsh on myself, uh, on judging myself and maybe not meeting uh other people's standards. But when I learned that my energy is not supposed to work like that, it helped to loosen up the grip that I had on myself. Um and now I know that I need to initiate, so I sometimes just initiate and then let things happen.

Giada

Yes, I like I like very much connecting, I mean creating connections with people. Sometimes I put them together and then I leave. Yeah, that's what I say. Okay, anyway, you should meet this one, you should that find sense.

Susana

That sounds like a manifesto.

Giada

Yeah, because it's like it seems you are contributing somehow to just being a little small part of the big puzzle, and uh exactly being a connector is uh is it's a wonderful element.

Susana

Yeah, we do our thing and then we leave, and and that's who we are. And we're not for everybody, um but yeah, and generators the for example, generators' strategy of going through life is not initiating like us, and this is a big, big, big problem for them because society has taught everybody that if you want something in your life, you need to go out and get it. And only 8% of the population, only the manifestors are supposed to function like that, which means the other rest are struggling to get things they want in this way. And so the generator type is supposed to wait and respond. So they respond to the environment, they respond to the people, they respond to opportunities. They have this internal biological, it's called the sacral center. I don't want to get too technical with words, but they instantly they should know if they ask their bodies, it's like a yes or no response. It can be instant or it can be over a few weeks, depending on what type of generator you are. But they are here to respond. So we are the ones, for example, who initiate, and then they are the ones who say yes or no. So we get rejected a lot because now everything we initiate is maybe aligned or received or you know, directed to the right person. So they're here to say yes or no. If they waited for all these opportunities to come to them, um their life would be so much easier.

Giada

Yeah, absolutely. But it's just that sometimes you see people that they have similar needings, as I say, well, actually, the two of you have similar needings, so you make the connections, and then the connection, I mean, they don't take this chance, they say, Yeah, but I don't know what I don't know. Yeah, got the contacts, whatever. Just do the first step. It's easy. Uh, you don't even have sometimes to put too much effort because I've already prepared the it's easy for you because that's what you're exactly supposed to be doing. I see people exactly sometimes complicating their their life in such a way, um creating dramas where there are there is no drama behind. It's just simple. You connect dot A with B, then you see what happens. There's such a manifest. Most of the people don't function like that. No, I know, I know. It's now you know why. Now exactly. Now that I can see where I struggle sometimes in uh it depends, of course, if you are then trapped into uh the loop of people uh where they see the two things there and instead they go around the circles. But maybe I do the same, some other uh things, but I'm quite straightforward. If I see the potential of a vision, something over there, even if it's far there in the court.

Plateau before the breakthrough

Giada

Does your manifest manifest your energy?

Susana

But you cannot expect people who are in a manifestor to see what you see and to function how you feel.

Giada

But sometimes they take their hands and say, come here, go, we go together over there, then you go back and you do your own path.

Susana

No, we're also pretty fast. Manifestors very fast. Yeah, pure generators are very slow. I know. Their pace are slow. I struggle personally sometimes.

Giada

I'm like just to speed up. A lot, and that's a fine divine timing, but let's give a boost.

Susana

But that's how they how that's how they are, and at the end of the day, Tiffany, my mentor, did tell me this once. Um we all get to the same point at the same time. Why? Because generators have constant energy, so they can keep the workload at the end of the daily. So they might be slow, but they do something daily. Whereas us, as manifestors, I can do what a manifesto can do in a week in one day. A manifesto no a generator solely can do in a week, but then the rest of the week I'll be a potato couch. So by the end of the week, we've all accomplished the same thing. It's just the way to get there is different.

Giada

But they don't take a week to do what it's an example. It takes a month, months, prural. Or never.

Susana

I have to say never. They they generators kind of show with quitting as well. And quitting, which I never understand why people quit. Because they're generators, and that's something part of their learning.

Giada

The question is always have you tried everything possible? Yes or no? If you haven't, go back and try again. Oh, you're so funny. It's unacceptable for me to quit something unless you've already tried several things. It doesn't work. Just go back. You will try it another time in a few months. Conditions are not ripe, perfect. But sometimes they just won't try once, twice. Oh no, it doesn't work for me. No.

Susana

I don't fully agree with this because I think there are right ways of quitting things. Uh, for generators, there are right ways of quitting things. Sometimes maybe they say yes to something, and when they start the process, they realize that it's not for them. So, in that in that scenario, it's good for them to stop it because they're here to do what they're passionate about.

Giada

Yeah, but sometimes they just don't put the work.

Susana

Yeah, no, no, like there is a correct way and an incorrect way.

Giada

Yeah, exactly.

Susana

So you we might have the case of a generator getting into something that then they realize once they're in they're not aligned. So the correct thing for them to do is to stop it. But then generators learn in a lather way. So they have steps, little steps until they reach a plateau. Okay. They sometimes can quit when they are on this plateau. If they knew that that's part of their learning process, this plateau, it is supposed to be there. And if they manage to hold the plateau, the breakthrough will happen right after the plateau. But because we're all impatient and we all like live at 300 miles an hour, when we get kind of plateau, they feel frustrated, they feel stuck, and that's when they quit. Um so all the generators, if you feel like you're in a plateau and you want to quit, hold it, hold it, because after that you will get the breakthrough that you're that you're exactly.

Giada

It's just like uh sometimes quitting five minutes before reaching the destination. But I always need to push myself and say fine. You arrive till here, just wait, wait, wait. So definitely I've built uh um big amount of patience in terms of I'm still working on that um patience with people uh in general, but patience also waiting for the um from the universe uh sometimes to take me where uh where I would love to be or to receive SIG. Sometimes I had to wait years. Yes, yeah, which was really like when I was in the corporate uh job and I had, I mean, I was already already ready to leave, and I had to stay other eight extra years before being able uh to because the conditions weren't uh weren't right for a lot of things to come because uh because I wouldn't have been in uh in the Art and Spirituality center, because I still had to uh implement mumin to to go deeper into into the shamanic offer studies. Uh I needed to dedicate more time to definitely and karmic reasons for sure.

Susana

Well, you make a lot of patience. It's a lovely space, and you do a lot for the community. So thank you.

Giada

Yeah, it makes me really happy. It really feels my heart to to see all the people actually that they do what they love here and they help others. And those others when they contact you and say, actually, I would love to offer something to the community because I see people uh like we did, we did the open days, and I had people reaching me. Oh, I would love to offer something free as well to the community, or uh to you, remember? Yes, yes, but you are already you're already offering this here.

Susana

I know, but like it's it's payment because you know I want to make this my full-time living. Um but yeah, we need to organize um facilitator breath work.

Giada

It seems like another category, an alien one. Why it it's a facilitator generator.

Susana

Oh no, okay. So because we can give to the community, but I feel like sometimes we need facilitators or healers or whoever holds the space and offers the services. We give quite a lot. Yeah, and I don't know you, but sometimes I feel like I don't go enough. Like I should, you know, for myself. Yes, uh. I I thought about maybe we could organize um a free session for just facilitators who wants to join to do a breath work.

Giada

Exactly.

More than just a big release

Giada

And so for the breath work, what's uh what's how is your way of offering breath work uh different or similar to others? Uh what are the your core characteristics that you feel belong to you because you have integrated them in your way of working?

Susana

Yes, so the breath work I offer is a conscious connected breathing technique, it's called Espiritus, and I believe the base of all these conscious connected techniques, they're kind of the same. It's like a dynamic, continuous, connected breath. Um but I do believe that then each technique has its own flavor.

Giada

Yeah.

Susana

Um my case, um we it is kind of weaved with shamanism. So the way it got to the founder, it was through plant medicines. So, in a way, there is a lot of obviously the breathwork technique, but then we treat the space as a sacred space where we allow guides, spirits to guide us and to at least to guide me to hold the space for you and to hold and to hold it for you. So I think the main difference from spirit is to other techniques might be the shamanic element. Um I we're also trained with trauma informed um. Techniques which I I don't actually know if other breath work trainings also included. I am not aware because I have not been trained in this in them, but uh we are trained to try and identify when the nervous system is within the uh window of tolerance so that healing happens. Because I feel like there is a lot of conscious connective breath work happening. I think we're in the in the moment here of the boom of this type of uh breath. But I feel like sometimes people look for the release because if the release doesn't happen, they don't feel like the technique is working. But if the release happens when your nervous system is above or beyond your window of tolerance, healing is not happening. You're having a big release, but it's not actually healing you, it's not actually helping you. You're just it's feeding your ego. It's like, oh my god, I've gone to this breath work and I've had this like the flashing. And sometimes you can actually re-traumatize, you can actually make it worse. Um, so I think the shamanic and the monitoring of this, that's why we might be different than other techniques. Um we I was trained first to do one-to-one sessions, um, and then I got the training for groups. Because obviously, you need to, I need to build my capacity and learn how to maintain and support energetically to all the group. So my groups right now are quite small, six, seven people. My aim is when I build my capacity up to ten. When that will be, I don't know. Whenever I'm ready. Um, but right now it's quite small groups.

Giada

Yeah, so it's a privilege of uh being part of this small group when it happens because you got a personalized attention. Uh and uh it's really, I mean, when I experienced that with you, of course, then every time is different, uh, with every session is different. It was a lot of expansion in that moment, a lot of uh energy going beyond the walls uh of the room, and very, very, very, very powerful, of course, then it depends on the facilitator and depends how you are in that moment, uh and the group energy as well. So there are a lot of um um elements that can change all the time. And uh, if people don't have the chance to come and work with you on uh on any group because they're not based in Edinburgh, uh, what kind of easy first step can you um share with people that want on a daily basis do something for themselves, either in one world or in the other one to say, okay, I want to change something. Things don't work here in my life, I'm full of worries, too much in my mind, which is what I always uh hear from people coming. Yeah, we live in our heads. A lot of our uh 99% in my head. So, how can I live out of that world?

Susana

So, first I like to say that I can do Spiritus Online. It's not something that I currently offer because I'm more of like I like the in-person element, but if someone would like a session um private or a group, just let me know, contact me, and maybe I can create something online. Um if we're not doing this, if you just want some tips to you for you to do in your day, it is amazing how much just breathing consciously can shift your mind state. And by that I simply mean take 20 deep breaths, close your eyes, put your hand in your chest and your hand in your belly, and just feel. Feel, just breathe, and just feel how the breath is feeling your body, leaving your body, the warmth, like yeah, just breathe consciously. Because breathing obviously is something that happens, it's automatic, but we normally you do it unconsciously, that's why doing it in a conscious way, it can just shift your mind. Um, I've started now to because when I mean my manifesto floor, I am I'm fast like an adult.

Giada

Yes, I'm like, I'm going. You should we we we should actually print a t-shirt.

Susana

Get out of the way. When I'm on the floor, it's like get out of the way. Exactly. So I try to like stop. For example, when I parked here when I arrived, I would normally in the past park, and without a second, I would just come in here and walk in. Now I take like two or three breaths. It then they don't even have to be deep, just three breaths.

Giada

Yeah, but when I'm actually paying attention, it's taking that pause exactly. Also in my millions of things that I do in between in the day. Sometimes I just step back, I go back, I realize that I'm always like that. I go back and I take three breaths. I said, fine, I can paste the next thing next thing.

Susana

Because we're always in the next step. Anyway, the breath. And then for the human design, I would I would advise, advise, invite, suggest to everybody to get a human design reading. Oh yes, I want to. There are different levels like you can get like human design goes deep. But I feel with the first level reading, you have years to experiment with, and to know your energy type, how you learn, how you relate to people, and and that will help you come out of your head because human design also has the principle that the decisions we're supposed to make in this life, none of the types, none of the types are supposed to be made with the head. So all of our decisions come from our body, different parts of the body, different centers depending on your type, but they all kind of teach you little by little to start falling into the body and trusting that response that your body has, if that makes sense. Does that make sense?

Giada

Yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's not something that you can do on a on a group level, this one, just in a one-to-one.

Susana

It's in a one-to-one. You can do a workshop, like you know, we couldn't.

Giada

Just to speak and explain about people that would be needing. Yes, but today I've just spoken about I can see you. You can see my brain already thinking. Okay, actually, we can organize something here.

Susana

Because on the level one reading of human design, I would go through the types, which is the only thing I've mentioned today, but then there is something called the profiles, which is numbers. That's right. And we all have two numbers. You're a 5-1, for example, you make an excellent teacher. Um so that those two numbers also will kind of create your character, your character, you know, the add characteristics to your type. And then we also have the strategy and the authority. It's a lot, it is a lot. So the strategy is how we move through life. As I mentioned, manifestors were supposed to just initiate, generators are supposed to wait and respond. That's the strategy. And then the authority is who makes the decisions for you. So for me, for example, I am a splenic ego authority. So I am very much a now being. Now or not now. If now or never. My my time doesn't know when. I I don't know, but I know it's not now. Uh but your, for example, is emotional authority. So it works completely different. You are a slower manifesto than I am, because for you to make a decision, you need to learn about your emotional waves, and only the right decision will come to you at the end of these emotional waves. So it is an absolutely mind-blowing world, and these things I've just mentioned is just with the level one. So once I give you the information, and then you go out with your daily life, you can mindfully try and pay attention on how you make decisions, how you you how do you relate. And what's what's the outcome of it? Have you found resistance? Has it flowed? Doesn't because it's giving you information of how things are working out for you.

Giada

And when you find resistance about something, what do you do?

Susana

There are one million reasons why you might have resistance. Okay, one might be because you're not aligned with your design. So just pay attention to how you initi how you went into that relationship. Like you're supposed to initiate. So if someone comes and says, Hey Jada, um do you wanna do A, B, and C, you are gonna say yes or no, which then is not aligned for you because you're responding as a generator. So you might find obstacles and resistance down the way because you didn't enter that project relationship correctly. Yeah. It's just it's making sense. Yeah. And we're back on human design. Yes.

Giada

Yeah, it's technically it's like yeah, that breastwork is just uh No, no, no, no, no, press work and I thought we were gonna speak more about Okay. We are going to change now in Art and Spirituality website. We cancel uh breastwork uh activities, uh new offer C from uh February 2025. This this podcast will be released uh later on in May, so just watch it, check on the website if things have changed.

Susana

No, you need to come to the breath work, it's amazing, it's amazing, and I know I know it is it's super powerful for me. It's changed my life. The training was very hard and was very intense because we used to do weekly um breath work journeys, and it is a lot for the nervous system. Uh at some weeks I had to take breaks because my system needed to be nourished, not activated. Um but it shifted layers, fears, insecurities. Um I've also discovered new ones because this is what happens when you you know you you work on some of them, then new ones appear. But I am different than I was two years ago, and this has been thanks to thanks to Spiritus.

Giada

Wonderful.

Where to find Susana

Giada

So, where where can people find you online on Instagram?

Susana

So my Instagram, I don't have a website yet, because it costs money, and at the moment I don't think we need it. So I have Instagram and Facebook. Um, you can find me susanaramos.healingtogether. And for my breath work sessions, I put the tickets up in Eventbrite. Um, and the profile name is the same, so that's where you can find me. Um, here we do now once a month. She is at Liran's session here at the other city. It's going to be the first Sunday of the month, correct? Yes, yes. Um, February. Well, you don't care because this will be room for me. Yes. Anyway, from May onwards, the first Sunday of the month, I'll be here. And then I'm also trying to find another venue in Edinburgh because my groups are small. I think I can, you know, I can reach more people. And I'm also offering in East Lothian at the moment in East Linton, um, in the yoga then with lovely Caroline. So, any questions?

Giada

Just let me know. Beautiful. Wonderful. Thank you so much, Susanna. It was been uh a really amazing uh conversation with a new topic. So we need to have you as a guest again for uh um with a new topic, and we will we will go back uh speaking about uh human design again. Whatever the question is human design. Well, me too, of course. We are uh we are now we know that we are we have the same label. So thank you, thank you so much. It's been really uh a pleasure, and uh maybe one day you will start your podcast too. Sure. One day, watch the space, bye everybody. Thank you. Bye.